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Tony VanderHeyden so that’s your answer to my question? How does speaking out in favor of the rights of an individual hurt anyone? And your answer is I’m insane. So there you have it. Have a nice rest of your weekend! Tony VanderHeyden and again you can’t answer my question yet you call me insane. So again I ask, how does speaking out in favor of the rights of an individual hurt anyone? Who is harmed when I say we must respect the rights of all individuals? Sean Dvon no one is disagreeing with you, but women had to fight for those rights. Blacks had to fight to their rights. No one said, everyone should have rights. The reality is, there will always be one group, (whether you care to admit or not, but people make identities in their own.) You make it sound like there are government officials handing out labels. Robert Leon, on the contrary, it seems like everyone’s disagreeing with me. You are correct that women and certain groups had to fight for rights. But why? They had to fight for those rights because they were being lumped into a category. Blacks were lumped into a category and then once in that category were denied those rights based on their Dogs and Hockey make me happy humans make my head hurt shirt identity. I don’t understand why you don’t see that lumping people into categories is counterproductive. I’m saying everyone should and does have rights. No matter what group they belong to we should protect and defend their rights as individuals
Sean Dvon you can say whatever you want. You’re not going to achieve anything with this pan-rights approach because you aren’t addressing specific Dogs and Hockey make me happy humans make my head hurt shirt. And those problems are founded in identity: both the identity of the people affected and the identity perceived by the aggressor. Nobody gives a flying shit about a movement whose mantra is “all lives matter”. That’s not a philosophy of rights: it’s a thought-terminating cliche to avoid having to think about identity. Tony VanderHeyden so again I ask you who is harmed when I say we must respect the rights of all individuals? You don’t seem to be able to answer that question yet you want to change the subject. I’m asking a simple question. Who does it harm if we respect the rights of all individuals? Who gets the raw end of the deal? Sean Dvon No, I’m sorry but we didn’t even discuss white supremacy. I knew absolutely nothing about you when I responded to your comment. You are not going to assign such an aggressive term to my actions after the fact. I am a lesbian and have faced plenty of discrimination myself, so if that is a measure of the value of our arguments I have some currency myself. Shall I ask you to stop mansplaining identify politics to me or can we perhaps judge each other’s arguments by their own merits?
Mandy Hyndman, I know that we weren’t discussing white supremacy. But you cannot escape the fact that this country was built on white supremacy. And me pointing that out is not me being aggressive towards you. It is simply the truth. I’m not going to tell you how to feel about being discriminated against for being a lesbian. And I sure as heck don’t need your help or any other white person’s help digesting how I should feel about racial discrimination. The fact that we have been lumped into categories and treated differently because of our affiliations to that group identity is proof positive that lumping people into groups is counterproductive. That’s the takeaway here. Robert Leon what’s unrealistic is expecting a positive outcome when you lump people into categories and treat them based on your stereotypes or frustrations about that group rather than treating them as individuals. It did not work in the past, it’s not working today, and there’s no reason to believe it will work in the future. What’s realistic is that something new needs to be tried if we are truly vested in the task of equality for all.