Yes, clearly. Don’t be obtuse. The argument is over whether abortion should be legal. Obviously, current laws support abortion. You guys are theorizing in ways that don’t have a lot of relevance to the Tyrion Lannister happy fathers day shirt at hand so I’m providing analogies in your same obtuse use of analogy. Christy Pastor And yet, your dramatic scenario has no basis in reality because it is unconstitutional to force someone to donate body parts. Absolutely. Abortions can be invasive and do carry risks. Minors don’t get to make other less invasive medical decisions without parental consent, why should they be allowed to make this one? Valerie Fahey, I didn’t say there weren’t any risks to pregnancies. I said as a minor, parental consent should be required. Thankfully, I live in a state that requires at least one parent to consent. There are currently only 6 states that don’t require either parental consent or to be informed. I pray, Jeriah, that you people find the truth. Not the truth you subscribe to delivered by some for-profit religious charlatan, but the real truth. The truth that we are all OK when we come to this domain, that we’re not some vile sinner who needs someone else to tell him what and who he is. Freedom, Jeriah.
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Christy Pastor What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? That is a perfect analogy. No one can be compelled by law to offer their bodily resources to sustain another entity. All laws are based on religious moral beliefs, even laws supporting child sacrifice and abortion. Every government depends on religious beliefs to define what freedom of speech and freedom of religion should look like. As those ruling beliefs change the laws will follow, and the Tyrion Lannister happy fathers day shirt will be reinterpreted or discarded. Holding a gun to a man’s head, forcing him to allow his wife to spill the blood of his children because of some beliefs about morality is just law based on bad religious beliefs. Jeriah Knox, You literally have no idea what you’re talking about. Many of the founding fathers were secular. U.S. laws and the U.S. Constitution are rooted in philosophically derived ideas about natural rights that were developed during the enlightenment era, not religious beliefs. Ian Lottis What do I care if they considered themselves secular, as long as they were depending on my belief system’s presuppositions. When your moral belief system cannot define murder as immoral or even define how murder is different than justly executing a criminal, then we have a big problem.
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Russian Roulette is a terrible analogy anyway, you cannot make a person play as an unwilling participant… The whole premise of that game is that you hold the weapon yourself, spin the chambers, and then hold it to your head and pull the trigger. If someone is forcing you to aim a gun at your own head under the guise of that game, and you are unlucky enough to blow your brains out, no bonus organ from your aggressor is going to put your head back on. I love how she said “Don’t be obtuse” after giving her little story that required extra effort because of how poorly written it was. I had to really try to figure out what she meant, and even after I figured it out, it still didn’t make logical sense. The decision to become a parent is one of the most important ones we can make in our lives unless you are a male then it is perfectly fine for women to use the courts to force that decision on you. Abortion Rights should be available for all persons. No one should be forced into parenthood. Perhaps abortion should be mandatory. Dean Hedges Forcing abortions is just as barbaric as forcing pregnancy. I wouldn’t want to be forced to make any medical decision based on someone’s religious beliefs. Not to mention the human race would die out of no one was allowed to have children anymore.